Rails GeekUp — Saturday, September 30
| Sep 30 | 9:30 AM |
| Matt B. | has entered the room |
| Matt B. | turned on guest access |
| Sep 30 | 9:35 AM |
| Dave V. | has entered the room |
| Dave V. | hello |
| Matt B. | hi |
| Matt B. | hi |
| Dave V. | hello |
| Sep 30 | 9:40 AM |
| Chris H. | has entered the room |
| WinStOnN | has entered the room |
| WinStOnN | has left the room |
| WinStOnN | has entered the room |
| WinStOnN | has left the room |
| Dave V. | some people saw the url then :) |
| WinStOnN | has entered the room |
| Dave V. | put your hand up Chris :) |
| Chris H. | :) |
| Matt B. | heh :) |
| WinStOnN | Haha Hello everybody |
| WinStOnN | i love this fu%&%$4 campfire, so usefull |
| Stuart J. | has entered the room |
| Matt B. | hey :) |
| Matt B. | yeah, it's v. cool |
| WinStOnN | oh yeah. |
| Stuart J. | Morning all :) |
| Matt B. | Morning Stuart :-) |
| WinStOnN | Morning |
| Matt B. | Hmm... the net's slowing down already :( |
| Chris H. | Uh oh |
| Sep 30 | 9:45 AM |
| Matt B. | maybe I should turn off these torrents ;) |
| WinStOnN | haha |
| John A. | has entered the room |
| John A. | has left the room |
| John A. | has entered the room |
| KateMonkey | has entered the room |
| Sep 30 | 9:50 AM |
| Matt B. | hehe, Dave looks nervous ;) |
| WinStOnN | haha |
| WinStOnN | everybody from Manchester? |
| KateMonkey | Nottingham, here. |
| Matt B. | I've travelled from Hull |
| Stuart J. | no - Buxton, me |
| Chris H. | Studying at Manchester |
| Sep 30 | 9:55 AM |
| WinStOnN | Thats great |
| WinStOnN | I'm from Chile |
| Stuart J. | cool :) what time did /you/ leave to get here? ;-) |
| WinStOnN | But i didnt flight to Manchester especially for this conference, Im spending some time here in England. |
| WinStOnN | And I was surfing on internet and I knew about this conference |
| WinStOnN | so Im here now. |
| Stuart J. | sure the organisers will be pleased to hear they already register on the international scale :) |
| Sep 30 | 10:00 AM |
| WinStOnN | haha |
| WinStOnN | yeah. |
| Chris H. | For people who haven't checked Digg today : How To Make Your Own Wolverine Claws :) http://www.muc.muohio.edu/~natedogg/main.htm |
| Ciaran J. | has entered the room |
| Ciaran J. | boo |
| Ciaran J. | oh dear |
| Stuart J. | ? |
| Ciaran J. | he he |
| Sep 30 | 10:05 AM |
| Stuart J. | :) |
| Ciaran J. | points make prizes |
| John A. | Hi people - on the earlier topic - I'm from Derbyshire (Ambergate - North of Derby) |
| John A. | NumberWang anyone? |
| Chris H. | 5 |
| Ciaran J. | 12.678 |
| Deb | has entered the room |
| Chris H. | 3.14 |
| Ciaran J. | 9 |
| John A. | |
| Chris H. | THATS NUMBER WANG!! |
| Adam L. | has entered the room |
| Rosemary F. | has entered the room |
| David R. | has entered the room |
| Carl D. | has entered the room |
| Matt B. | HA! |
| Sep 30 | 10:10 AM |
| Matt B. | probabyl should have clapped there :) |
| Ciaran J. | doh |
| David R. | :) |
| Chris H. | THat's what I was thinking! |
| John A. | clap clap clap clap |
| Ciaran J. | clappity |
| WinStOnN | haha |
| David R. | i'm new to rails :) |
| John A. | I used them to get here this morning.... ;) |
| John A. | See what I did there |
| David R. | me to, and they were on time |
| monkeyhelper | has entered the room |
| Sep 30 | 10:15 AM |
| Stuart J. | anyone know if the slides from these presentations will be available later? |
| Chris H. | I hope so, I've got peoples heads in the way :( |
| WinStOnN | I think so. |
| Ciaran J. | hope so, are these S5 ? |
| David R. | me to. i know dan is videoing it |
| WinStOnN | :) |
| WinStOnN | allright |
| Stuart J. | cool - wait for the screencast/podcast! :) |
| John A. | I wonder if they know about the feedback - could get a bit painful in a podcast |
| Ciaran J. | feedback ? |
| John A. | Do they have AcionMan too? |
| Ciaran J. | ahhh that feedback |
| John A. | I mean ACtionMan |
| Stuart J. | heh |
| monkeyhelper | We'll tweak the mic after Daves talk :) |
| Chris H. | they spelt water wrong :( |
| David R. | maybe its a euro-spelling? ;) |
| Stuart J. | Web App Testing In Ruby :) |
| Chris H. | Probably american |
| Ciaran J. | Looking forward to hearing about watir, didn't even know about it ;) |
| Sep 30 | 10:20 AM |
| John A. | Supposed to be quite groovy |
| John A. | I wonder if it can do Ajax App testing too? |
| Ciaran J. | and it integrates in with the functional tests ? |
| Stuart J. | not very well re: AJAX .. :( |
| Ciaran J. | |
| John A. | Ho Hum - does anyone know of a good automated Ajax testing tool - the only one I know about is the script.aculo.us one |
| Stuart J. | I use Selenium: cross-browser + you can make it explicitly wait for a condition |
| Stuart J. | perhaps talk more this pm :) |
| David R. | can;t see the bottom of the screen |
| David R. | someone read my mind |
| Stuart J. | good call that man :) |
| Ciaran J. | nooo I get to be more jealous of my lack of textmate on solaris or windows :( |
| Stuart J. | heh - have you tried Radrails/Eclipse? |
| Ciaran J. | yeah a little, it was quite a hit on my old laptop though :( |
| Matt B. | textmate is awesome |
| Chris H. | yeah, I'd love textmate on Linux, Radrails is too clunky :( |
| John A. | cheers Stu J Cool - will check it out |
| Sep 30 | 10:25 AM |
| Richard L. | has entered the room |
| Ciaran J. | Fwiw, I use Programmers Notepad 2 quite bit for rails/ruby dev, and I'm tracking RoRed |
| WinStOnN | oh yeah, i love textmate |
| eifion | has entered the room |
| WinStOnN | but i still have a pc |
| WinStOnN | :( |
| Ciaran J. | and JEdit isn't bad. |
| WinStOnN | but not luxuries |
| WinStOnN | ;) |
| Stuart J. | w/ textmate, do you got the directory browsing like TextMate/IDEs? |
| Stuart J. | oops |
| Ciaran J. | eh |
| Stuart J. | sorry - Programmers Notepad |
| Stuart J. | dippy me |
| Matt B. | i've not heard of programmers notepad before |
| David R. | does anyone know if this chat is being logged? would be useful to recap it later on (after today)... |
| Ciaran J. | yes, but it isn't as good:( its half way there with 'magic folders' but you can't directly seem tadd files with it :( |
| Matt B. | yep, it'll be up on mattbrindley.com |
| Matt B. | later today |
| Stuart J. | cheers Matt |
| Matt B. | and on the wiki etc |
| WinStOnN | Hello John |
| David R. | cheers just theres a few useful urls and info |
| Ciaran J. | |
| Matt B. | Thanks for the link Ciaran :) |
| Ciaran J. | np. |
| Matt B. | does it have syntax support for ruby/rails? |
| WinStOnN | looks great |
| Matt B. | *syntax colouring |
| WinStOnN | i'll take a look in photepad later |
| WinStOnN | thanks |
| Ciaran J. | yes |
| Matt B. | cool, looks great! |
| Sep 30 | 10:30 AM |
| Ciaran J. | its not bad, RoRed has potential to be better though |
| Matt B. | any current .net developers here? |
| WinStOnN | exactly |
| Stuart J. | do you have a url for RoRed? |
| Ciaran J. | I've been temporarily assigned to be the design lead for my work's .Net team but normally I'm a Java dev |
| Ciaran J. | :rored => http://www.plasmacode.com/ |
| Ciaran J. | textmate macros are *SO* cool :( |
| WinStOnN | |
| Matt B. | ah cool, well if you use Visual Studio you should check out CastleProject ActiveRecord |
| WinStOnN | they are working hard to improve textmate. |
| Matt B. | it's a rails-concept DAL for .net |
| Matt B. | very cool |
| John A. | If you're a Visual Studio user Ruby in Steel might be worth a try http://www.sapphiresteel.com/ - is a plugin with full project support (inc. Rails) - not got it working properly yet though :( |
| Ciaran J. | as it happens I have done ;) it isn't anything like as good as Ruby ActiveRecord |
| Ciaran J. | you have to do vast amounts of the mapping yourself, it seemed... plus it wasn't handling t relationships properly. |
| Matt B. | no, def not, but much better than MS' data stuff |
| Ciaran J. | I've just converted our .Net team to use Spring throughout, which is one of the things Castle does give... |
| Matt B. | (i think anyway) |
| Ciaran J. | ;) I eventually settled on NHibernate,(Which NActivRecord sits on-top-off) in the end. |
| Ciaran J. | ActiveRecord just didn't seem ready fior production. |
| WinStOnN | specially trying to mapp in PHP, in PHP 4 is soo painfull |
| David R. | one of my clients is stuck on php 4 for quite a while :( |
| Ciaran J. | I never realised just how hot my laptop gets when on my lap for periods of time !:( |
| Sep 30 | 10:35 AM |
| WinStOnN | yeah, i was working the last few years working in PHP |
| WinStOnN | is just like David said, is like the devil |
| WinStOnN | haha |
| Ciaran J. | s'good for prototypes though (pre rails) |
| Matt B. | Yeah, my laptop is getting pretty hot :( |
| David R. | php4 was great when it came out (especially when i worked with php 3!) |
| Stuart J. | Ciaran - do you have any pointers (urls) for NActiveRecord? Am tinkering with a parallel thing for JRuby/Hibernate, and never thought to explore the .NET world... |
| Ciaran J. | |
| Ciaran J. | but personally I'd stck with JRuby/Hibernate, hibernate3 is vastly ahead of the current nighlies of hibernate 2 |
| Stuart J. | cheers |
| David R. | Wow. that was quick |
| Ciaran J. | (They've only just got the not-found attribute for one thing!) |
| Ciaran J. | google's quick, not me |
| Stuart J. | heh |
| David R. | (quidk as in rails i mean!) |
| Ciaran J. | ah on-topic <g> |
| David R. | |
| Matt B. | David - if you shift-tab in a message it puts it in as a paste (just in case you were wondering :) |
| Matt B. | err shift-enter even |
| Stuart J. | missing dot in range? |
| Ciaran J. | has anyone finished reading 'Ruby For Rails' yet, I finally slogged my way through it the other night, its definately worth a shot to find out more after this event. |
| David R. | yeah did wonder, sorry. still not used to the laptop keyboard after all these months ;) |
| Stuart J. | :within => 1..100 surely? |
| Sep 30 | 10:40 AM |
| David R. | :D |
| Chris H. | :D |
| Ciaran J. | indeed |
| Ciaran J. | thing I most hate about ruby is 1..10 v 1...10 that should just not be allowed in the syntax! |
| Chris H. | 'Ruby for Rails' written by..? |
| Stuart J. | David Black |
| Matt B. | well spotted Stuart :) |
| Stuart J. | |
| WinStOnN | |
| Chris H. | ah yeah, I've seen this book before |
| WinStOnN | ohh sorry about that. haha. |
| Ciaran J. | |
| Chris H. | I found this a much easier read - http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/rubyrails/ |
| Stuart J. | "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." (Arthur C. Clark) :) |
| Stuart J. | nice touch to demo what the scaffolding is doing under the covers |
| Ciaran J. | not read that one. |
| WinStOnN | yeah. |
| Ciaran J. | I thought that too, |
| WinStOnN | I had read the book call Agile Webdevelopment with rails |
| Matt B. | yeah, i'm reading agile dev now.. |
| WinStOnN | is amazing to introduce you to the rails world. |
| Ciaran J. | s'good book that, combined with the pickaxe book, vital really. |
| John A. | there's a2nd edition of that one out soon I think |
| WinStOnN | by David a James Thomas i think |
| WinStOnN | yeah. |
| Matt B. | it's written with DHH tho i think, so it should be good :) |
| WinStOnN | but no too many changes. |
| Ciaran J. | does that cover RJS now ? |
| Ciaran J. | the other book I have is 'rails recipes' |
| Stuart J. | Agile Web Dev does |
| Stuart J. | (at least in the 2nd ed) |
| Ciaran J. | cool, my ed. doesn't :( RJS was a (nice) shock! |
| Sep 30 | 10:45 AM |
| Stuart J. | heh - Ruby all the way :) |
| John A. | RJS? |
| WinStOnN | oh i want to buy that book |
| WinStOnN | rails recipes. |
| WinStOnN | a friend of mine told me was a great book |
| Ciaran J. | its good, can't say its brilliant, but its pretty good, covers a lot of useful hints'n' tips |
| Stuart J. | yes, it's well worth e.g. getting the pdf |
| David R. | i think i'm sitting behind winstonn |
| WinStOnN | hH |
| WinStOnN | hhhhaha |
| David R. | does that mean we can swear now? ;) |
| Ciaran J. | RJS - Using pure Ruby to generate all your Javascript, very nice, but still some surprises, i.e. conditional expressions don't work ( or didn't) |
| Stuart J. | there's a documentation effort coming ($20k+ donated!), but til then you more or less have to buy the books :( |
| David R. | and talk nicely everyone again :) |
| WinStOnN | haha |
| Ciaran J. | I'm *SO* glad he's covering this, I've never been able to figure out how to do this |
| Ciaran J. | (with a product rather than a site) |
| David R. | migrating db's can be really evil |
| WinStOnN | I never did that. |
| Stuart J. | was there going to be a talk on migrations? |
| Stuart J. | I thought I saw it on the schedule, but it's gone now :) |
| Ciaran J. | yeah later |
| David R. | and ian takes a photo |
| David R. | smile veryone |
| WinStOnN | I was working always in little web apps to companys in my country |
| Ciaran J. | but it appears to have disappeared. |
| Chris H. | Maybe it's now? |
| Stuart J. | heh - suppose so :) |
| Sep 30 | 10:50 AM |
| John A. | Is it true you always have to call the PK "id" - dirty! |
| David R. | thats a cool feature |
| Stuart J. | no, you can rename it in the model |
| eifion | The PK doesn't have to be "id" but you save yourself work if you do what Rails wants. |
| David R. | i've always used id for the PK, since erm whenever I can remember. |
| Ciaran J. | but what happens if two developers create migrations independently and then check them in? |
| Chris H. | Yeah, It makes sense to call it id |
| David R. | i can't remember what we used in SQL*Plus at uni in 1995 though : |
| Ciaran J. | to migration_10's ? |
| Ciaran J. | s/to/two |
| John A. | This should be interesting - to see how "many-to-many"s can be done |
| Chris H. | I remember Many to many being messy! |
| Chris H. | I'm sure there must be a nice way to do it though |
| Stuart J. | yes, tho in the latest Rails there is an even more functional way: "has many through" |
| Ciaran J. | hmm I think its ok tbh, has_many, through is my uber-fave... |
| Matt B. | John - why would using "id" be bad - I've always done that :S |
| WinStOnN | So David you are behind me? im the only guy with a Everton tshirt? |
| Ciaran J. | not in source control then ? :( |
| David R. | im in a red t-shirt on the "aisle" :) |
| WinStOnN | all right |
| Matt B. | haha - yeah! He just said if you're good dev you'll have source control!! |
| David R. | LHS |
| Stuart J. | i.e. you can have your has_many relationships 'through' a join table which itself can be a proper model. E.g. author has many books through authorships |
| Ciaran J. | harsh, can't believe someone pointed that outverbally;) |
| Stuart J. | heh |
| John A. | @Matt - sorry - one of my pet hates - just have to come to terms with it :) |
| Ciaran J. | sj: damn straight |
| David R. | didnt he mention source control on one of the first few slideS? ;) |
| Ciaran J. | everyone makes mistakes :) |
| Sep 30 | 10:55 AM |
| Ciaran J. | are foreign keys [as specfic entities within the DB] supported by migrations yet? |
| John A. | Cheers Stu - that kind of makes sense |
| Matt B. | he's recovered really well i think :) |
| Chris H. | Thanks to the power of rails (H) |
| Ciaran J. | yea, evidentally a seasoned pro ;) |
| Ciaran J. | demo'ing to devs is awful, every typo gets a snigger :( I was at JavaUk06 recently, |
| Ciaran J. | gah |
| Ciaran J. | case-in-point ;0 |
| Stuart J. | @John: hopefully Dave will have time to cover it, otherwise check out http://api.rubyonrails.org/classes/ActiveR… |
| WinStOnN | yeah. |
| Stuart J. | there's a mini-heading at the top on has_many :through |
| David R. | the db naming conventions are as i've always done them with php previously.. |
| John A. | cheers Stu! |
| Stuart J. | if you didn't make mistakes, you wouldn't have opportunity to demonstrate how 'agile' you are :) |
| John A. | I'm liking the migrations version control thingy! |
| WinStOnN | SO david, your a clean developer in PHP, cheers about that. most of the php programmers have that problem. |
| Chris H. | The whole pluralising of the name confused me so much at first. |
| WinStOnN | *** you are. |
| Stuart J. | one of the screencasts on rubyonrails.org has DHH recovering from stacktrace after stacktrace at a talk in Denmark :) |
| WinStOnN | is just practice Chris. |
| Chris H. | Yeah, I'll get used to it I'm sure |
| Sep 30 | 11:00 AM |
| Ciaran J. | I did actually have the Mails or Mail table debate at my works on Tuesday, spooky.. |
| Stuart J. | @Chris: you can turn it off in your environment settings for the app with ActiveRecord::Base.pluralize_table_names = false |
| Stuart J. | tho it's not the 'Rails way' ;) |
| Chris H. | Yeah, It'll just come back and bite me if I don't do it the 'Rails way' |
| WinStOnN | yeah, you rails give you the flexibility to break the conventions |
| WinStOnN | thats great, someimes you need specialls solutions. |
| Ciaran J. | s'warm |
| Stuart J. | or you have an anally retentive db ;) |
| Stuart J. | oops dba |
| Chris H. | hash? |
| Ciaran J. | no, I think our (SQLServer) DB is anally retentive |
| WinStOnN | I think the weak of rails |
| WinStOnN | is the way to find the mistakes in your code |
| Ciaran J. | I strongly dislike that behaviour of irb ruby/console, its always biting me |
| WinStOnN | in PHP is so easy. |
| Chris H. | Agreed |
| Stuart J. | hmmm.. yes |
| Ciaran J. | w: I agree, but ails devs contend with ahhh but your unit tests give you that protection! :) |
| Stuart J. | @Ciaran: I believe you can set a more 'helpful' prompt in your irbc config - so it's more obvious if it's nesting |
| Ciaran J. | *makes note.* |
| WinStOnN | yeah yeah, sure Ciaran. |
| Ciaran J. | hey thats not my opinion, I'm looking forward to someone covering that ;) |
| Sep 30 | 11:05 AM |
| WinStOnN | everybody sorry about my english, im spanish native speaker :) from Chile! ;) |
| David R. | ahh rest, remember that from geekup |
| Stuart J. | np WinsStOnN :) |
| Chris H. | What's REST? :$ |
| Ciaran J. | Representational State Transfer |
| KateMonkey | What's REST? |
| Stuart J. | REpresntational State Transfer |
| Ciaran J. | its sort of like mini web services |
| Stuart J. | = 'simple' webservices |
| Stuart J. | (rather than SOAP) |
| Chris H. | Ah okay |
| Ciaran J. | You basically define a set of objects that you manipulate via stndard HTTP verbs |
| David R. | monkeyhelper aka Rob did a presentation on it at the last geekup. |
| Ciaran J. | so proper use of Gets/Puts etc. |
| Ciaran J. | its quite nice for doing simple stuff, i.e. querying of amazon etc. |
| Stuart J. | cool re: monkeyhelper's presentation. Is it online? |
| WinStOnN | ? |
| David R. | it is, but can't remember the url for it |
| WinStOnN | good question? |
| Ciaran J. | But the advantage of SOAP etc is you actually get an awful lot of benefit from t web service stack, so you can leverage transactional services/security services all sorts of stuff, that REST+Plain HTTP just can't do. |
| Ciaran J. | moan over ;) |
| monkeyhelper | |
| WinStOnN | haha form tag is no very quick |
| Stuart J. | cheers monkeyhelper :) |
| WinStOnN | </form> -> <%= end_form_tag &> |
| Stuart J. | better not browse your presentation in the middle of Dave's ;) |
| Stuart J. | but will check it out later |
| Sep 30 | 11:10 AM |
| WinStOnN | that code is nice to give it to a designer. is easy for them. |
| Ciaran J. | yay rjs |
| Sep 30 | 11:15 AM |
| WinStOnN | is great because you make the dev work and they do the design, Although a lot of time we also make the design. |
| John A. | Yeah - I must say the code is pretty unobtrusive in the template |
| WinStOnN | yeah, exactly. |
| Stuart J. | even better for designers: 'Unobtrusive Javascript' plugin for Rails to get rid of the inline js that Rails generates as standard. http://www.ujs4rails.com/ |
| Stuart J. | = even cleaner pages :) |
| Stuart J. | "even in the northwest of England" ;) |
| Chris H. | ooo |
| Ciaran J. | I'm jealous of the mac u in front of me, his interface is so nce, squeezing windows ;) |
| Chris H. | *gets excitied* |
| Stuart J. | yay! |
| Stuart J. | *cheers* |
| Stuart J. | pubs and bars ;) |
| Chris H. | Any excuse... |
| Chris H. | |
| Chris H. | if you're lazy |
| Ciaran J. | andI'm joined ;) |
| Matt B. | me too |
| Sep 30 | 11:20 AM |
| David R. | +1 here |
| Stuart J. | and me |
| Matt B. | it's basecamphq.com |
| Matt B. | |
| Chris H. | Byyee :) |
| David R. | that was very informative. |
| John A. | Break it on down |
| Stuart J. | for online code examples, check out hte opensource apps a http://wiki.rubyonrails.org/rails/pages/Op… |
| Chris H. | has left the room |
| David R. | coffee! |
| Sep 30 | 11:30 AM |
| Carl D. | has left the room (Idle timeout) |
| Sep 30 | 11:40 AM |
| WinStOnN | how was the coffe? |
| Sep 30 | 11:45 AM |
| John A. | like a dog - rrrrufff! |
| monkeyhelper | test |
| David R. | hot :) |
| David R. | hot water has been sorted for the next break |
| KateMonkey | mine was lukewarm. |
| KateMonkey | But I like it lukewarm anyway, so I was happy. |
| Ciaran J. | now thats just not fair, there *is* a class definition there, its just a default ;) |
| Ciaran J. | /defends java a bit |
| David R. | i have an asbestos mouth so hot = great :) |
| Stuart J. | snake case = Ruby style, NOT 'CamelCase'? |
| Stuart J. | just a guess :) |
| Sep 30 | 11:55 AM |
| Ciaran J. | mmm irb |
| Stuart J. | "last bit of talk" already?! |
| Ciaran J. | |
| Stuart J. | @Ciaran: heh, very Web 2.0 :) |
| Sep 30 | 12:00 PM |
| Chris H. | has entered the room |
| Chris H. | Finally back in! |
| Ciaran J. | wb |
| Ciaran J. | Anyone know what OS the lady on the front row in the stripey top is using ? |
| Chris H. | Knew it was a bad idea updating to Ubuntu Edgy Eft the day before the conf :( |
| Ciaran J. | <g> |
| Ciaran J. | At least your OS isn't that screwed you've had to revert to XPHome! |
| Chris H. | It was almost screwed, Xorg wouldn't even work :( |
| David R. | on xph as havent had time to sort out fc5 and wireless atm |
| eifion | I think she's using Ubuntu with some OSX like theme. |
| Ciaran J. | which is my problem! Damn you Xorg |
| Ciaran J. | its very nice, I'm extremely jealous, I'd seen the 'cube' demo on osvids last weeks, but seeing someone actually using it...gha |
| Chris H. | It turned out it wasn't installed or it was broken, installed the pacakge and I was back working again. |
| Chris H. | XGL on Ubuntu is amazing :) |
| Ciaran J. | thats the fella |
| Ciaran J. | but I want to run solaris *sniff* |
| Sep 30 | 12:05 PM |
| Chris H. | I think I've still got it on my lappy, runs a bit slow though |
| David R. | |
| Chris H. | Never used Solaris, Seen screenshots..it looks like Java (for obvious reasons) |
| Ciaran J. | http://www.gnusolaris.org is pretty much ubuntu on solaris |
| Ciaran J. | but I just can't get it woking operly. |
| Adam L. | has left the room |
| Chris H. | so it is! Nice |
| David R. | i want one of those arrows :) |
| Ciaran J. | the arrows are very cool |
| Stuart J. | what's the presentation software? |
| Sep 30 | 12:10 PM |
| Chris H. | I was wondering that, looks very Mac like.. |
| eifion | I think it's Keynote. |
| Chris H. |  |
| Chris H. | THought I'd seen that gradient before.. |
| Stuart J. | heh |
| eifion | If it's good enough for Steve..... |
| Matt B. | heh :) |
| WinStOnN | keynote 3? |
| WinStOnN | is built-in in macbooks pro |
| WinStOnN | is using a macbook pro? i cant se the laptop from my seat |
| Ciaran J. | some kind of mac |
| eifion | It's behind the pillar. |
| Chris H. | Yeah, I didn't get keynote with my mac mini :( |
| WinStOnN | its cool. |
| WinStOnN | just like power point |
| WinStOnN | lol |
| Chris H. | But with cool arrows.. |
| WinStOnN | ;) |
| Matt B. | heh, he's getting very arrow-happy :) |
| Sep 30 | 12:15 PM |
| Chris H. | mmmm Corona |
| Sep 30 | 12:15 PM |
| David R. | dan's hair is full of stars |
| Stuart J. | if he was really committed, he'd have got a Ruby gem ;) |
| John A. | MeatProgramming? |
| Stuart J. | lol |
| Stuart J. | metaprogramming = "programs that write programs" = auto-generating methods etc. |
| Ciaran J. | meatprogramming therefore is 'auto-generating burgers' fab. |
| John A. | yes and sausages? |
| David R. | and bacon? |
| John A. | steak anyone.... mmmmmmmmmmmm... |
| David R. | yes please |
| Stuart J. | :) |
| David R. | is there a -ve missing on the first number? |
| John A. | is there a minus missing there? |
| John A. | bump |
| Chris H. | Why don't they have these offers int he shops? |
| Stuart J. | did he mention Modules before in the talk? |
| Chris H. | *in the |
| Ciaran J. | no. |
| David R. | or the pubs? |
| Sep 30 | 12:20 PM |
| WinStOnN | a great site to look for snippets is http://snipplr.com/ |
| WinStOnN | :) |
| Chris H. | Rails is so good apparently it's getting distrubted with Mac OSX Leopard :) |
| Ciaran J. | if you've not read that book, go readit |
| David R. | cant read that at the bottom :( |
| Ciaran J. | its awesome..and so so messed up |
| Chris H. | What was the link? |
| WinStOnN | haa |
| WinStOnN | yeah it will be in Leopard, totally sure about that. |
| Sep 30 | 12:25 PM |
| Ciaran J. | |
| Chris H. | thanks! |
| David R. | |
| David R. | damned shift key |
| Chris H. | clap? |
| Stuart J. | clap! :) |
| Sep 30 | 12:30 PM |
| David R. | :) |
| David R. | who's hungry? |
| Sep 30 | 12:40 PM |
| Dave V. | has left the room (Idle timeout) |
| Sep 30 | 1:10 PM |
| David R. | woo |
| Sep 30 | 1:15 PM |
| Matt B. |
changed the room’s topic to
Manchester Ruby on Rails GeekUp - 30th Sept. 2006.
Transcripts available at: http://mattbrindley.com/
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| Sep 30 | 1:20 PM |
| Chris S. | has entered the room |
| Sep 30 | 1:30 PM |
| John B. | has entered the room |
| Sep 30 | 1:35 PM |
| WinStOnN | please can you give me your weblogs? blogs? or website to bookmark them! |
| WinStOnN | so then we can keep on touch and read our blogs. |
| Ciaran J. | and I'm back |
| WinStOnN | my website is http://www.orelworks.com , my blog is http://norellana.orelworks.com, both side are in spanish but i will make a enlgish version. |
| WinStOnN | my flickr is http://www.flickr.com/photos/norellana |
| Matt B. | Nice idea... |
| Matt B. | |
| John B. | |
| WinStOnN | yeah please. |
| WinStOnN | great. |
| KateMonkey | |
| Sep 30 | 1:40 PM |
| WinStOnN | kate with black tshirt? |
| KateMonkey | and the purple hair. |
| WinStOnN | ahha |
| WinStOnN | i can se from here. ;) nice |
| WinStOnN | who is matt? |
| John B. | His picture's on his site :) |
| WinStOnN | but i can't match with nobody in the room... i was looking |
| Matt B. | in the corner at the front :) |
| Matt B. | on the left |
| WinStOnN | all right |
| WinStOnN | nice website kate |
| WinStOnN | ;) |
| Sep 30 | 1:45 PM |
| Stuart J. | stuartrjohnson.co.uk - tho not much to see just yet |
| David R. | back |
| Stuart J. | |
| WinStOnN | c |
| Rosemary F. | has left the room (Idle timeout) |
| David R. | its warm in here |
| WinStOnN | u think so? |
| Matt B. | yeah, this burning hot laptop isn't help much either :( |
| WinStOnN | haha |
| Dave V. | has entered the room |
| David R. | i just turned on the front ac ;) |
| WinStOnN | thats true |
| Ciaran J. | very war |
| Ciaran J. | (m) |
| WinStOnN | my laptop is killing me |
| Matt B. | nice :) |
| Chris H. | Hello! |
| WinStOnN | dont buy an asus laptop |
| Chris H. | Everyone have a nice lunch? |
| WinStOnN | are soo warm |
| WinStOnN | so hot. |
| Matt B. | lovely thanks :) |
| Matt B. | u? |
| David R. | ac is coooling down a bit now |
| Ciaran J. | yay |
| David R. | actually its quite dark in here ! |
| KateMonkey | the cottage cheese and cucumber sandwiches were different. In a good way. |
| Chris H. | Good lunch, headed off to KFC |
| WinStOnN | I can se from here matt, u dont have a mac, but u have a big screen |
| David R. | hahah |
| Chris H. | Who's downloading torrents? Nets really slow :( |
| Matt B. | Kate - haha, yeah, I'm afraid I chickened out and avoided them. |
| KateMonkey | we don't need any light except the light off our precious screens. |
| Matt B. | heh, 1920 x 1200 :) |
| WinStOnN | hahha |
| David R. | its like being in a morgue, but with alive people ;) |
| WinStOnN | thats great. |
| WinStOnN | 17''? |
| WinStOnN | hhahahaha |
| Matt B. | I'm switching to a MacBook soon tho |
| John B. | anyone get a free tshirt from the apple store? |
| Matt B. | 15 |
| David R. | dan said they'd gone in like an hour ? |
| WinStOnN | what john? |
| WinStOnN | apple store in Trafford Center? |
| John B. | tsk, I bet they'll all be on eBay in a half hour... |
| Matt B. | ah man, i forgot about the Apple store :( |
| Sep 30 | 1:50 PM |
| John B. | Apple store in Arndale centre - opened today |
| David R. | man city centre i think |
| Richard L. | has left the room (Idle timeout) |
| WinStOnN | yeah? |
| David R. | pass, i dont have an apple ;) |
| WinStOnN | oh my god |
| WinStOnN | hahah |
| WinStOnN | ohh |
| WinStOnN | is a free tshirt for mac users? |
| WinStOnN | iPod users? |
| WinStOnN | hahaha |
| John B. | think it was just a free t-shirt for anyone who turned up |
| Chris H. | For anyone who wants one? |
| Chris H. | I need to go to the mac store and sort my mac mini out - it keeps crashing :( |
| Ciaran J. | still catching up, but http://www.wombatinvasion.com and http://ciaranj.blogspot.com/ but I *never* blog |
| WinStOnN | I think I will go after the conf to see by myself. |
| WinStOnN | the store. |
| Sep 30 | 1:55 PM |
| John B. | Ciaran: I recognise your name off the mailing list... |
| John B. | I think? if it's you? :) |
| Ciaran J. | that would make sense ;) |
| John B. | You'll have to wave a hand in the air so I can put a name to a face |
| John B. | yay, spotted you |
| Ciaran J. | worlds most embarrasing moment. |
| Ciaran J. | now your turn... |
| David R. | heh |
| John B. | could have been worse! |
| Ciaran J. | now everyone together...oh wait. |
| Chris H. | I missed that, do it again! :( |
| Stuart J. | heh |
| John B. | I may have been at the front doing a presentation when I decided to wave |
| Richard L. | has entered the room |
| Matt B. | we should start coughpinging people :) |
| Stuart J. | "coughpinging"? |
| John B. | coughpinging - a new term, I like it |
| Stuart F. | has entered the room |
| John A. | que? |
| Ciaran J. | I assume ping Stuart... stuart coughs ? |
| Matt B. | coughping John A |
| David R. | is that a new solaris feature? ;) |
| Matt B. | (now you cough) |
| John B. | it's hard to locate someone by a cough... |
| Stuart J. | lol |
| John B. | how about a mexican wave? |
| Chris H. | You've done this before haven't you Matt |
| Sep 30 | 2:00 PM |
| Stuart J. | without bat-like echo location ;) |
| Matt B. | haha, heard it at Future of Web Apps in London |
| Matt B. | haha |
| John B. | it's a very strange thing to have an IRC channel in inhabited by a room full of people only a few feet from each other - or is that just me :) |
| Chris H. | Are we not clapping now then? |
| Matt B. | we could of course just post pics of ourselves here - prob be easier :) |
| WinStOnN | show time. |
| Stuart F. | has left the room |
| Ciaran J. | its a very sad thing :( |
| Stuart J. | very Web 2.0 :) |
| KateMonkey | Not really. I used to get on IRC *all* the time with people in the same room as me. |
| KateMonkey | My husband and I still do that. Even when we're sitting next to each other on the couch. |
| Matt B. | Kate - hahaha! |
| KateMonkey | (but that might just mean we're *really* sad) |
| Stuart J. | lol |
| Chris H. | Much easier than talking I suppose. |
| Ciaran J. | *sobbity* |
| David R. | used to do telnet talkers back in 1993 ;) |
| John B. | yeah, I used to do that with an ex-girlfriend, sat on the sofa both irc'ing |
| Ciaran J. | yay good ol' ytalk! |
| David R. | ahh those were the days at uni. |
| John B. | it's probably why we're not still together though, in retrospect :P |
| Sep 30 | 2:05 PM |
| David R. | ytalk is good for up to about 4 ppl then it gets silly |
| Stuart J. | getting very meta - this: having a IRC chat about having IRC chats.. ;) |
| Ciaran J. | surely very 'meat' ? |
| Matt B. | haha |
| Stuart J. | :) |
| Ciaran J. | Deb: Still massively green-eyed over your ui. |
| David R. | Ciaran has meat on the brain? :) |
| John B. | must be those sandwiches at lunch |
| Deb | Ciaran: you know what to do... install ubuntu! |
| Chris H. | Deb is right! |
| David R. | i picked up a cottage cheese one thinking it was egg. yuck! :) |
| Ciaran J. | ;) its sooo pretty, but Solaris offers me so much |
| Ciaran J. | (well technically it offers me a black screen currently) |
| Chris H. | http://www.ubuntu.com go order a few cds off Ship-it |
| John B. | Ubuntu++; |
| David R. | FC5 user here :hides: |
| Chris H. | Oh David :( |
| Chris H. | I'm not a fan of getting 5 cds to install one OS. |
| Deb | or just get a mac - everyone else has! :) |
| Sep 30 | 2:10 PM |
| David R. | one DVD ;) |
| David R. | or for me its a net-install off a server ;) |
| Ciaran J. | meh, mac shmac;) |
| John B. | or use the server cd perhaps? and up2date the rest? :) |
| John B. | <- redhat / centos admin by day |
| Chris H. | Or just use Ubuntu :) |
| John B. | MacOSX zealot by night. |
| David R. | pxe/netboot |
| KateMonkey | Has anyone tried putting ubuntu onto an old powerbook? I have a couple of G3s that could stand to be used. |
| David R. | did someone turn off the AC ? |
| John A. | Well I'll thinking of going back to RiscOS - three button mouse - hurrah! |
| John A. | or not |
| John B. | could be a nice idea for a conference - allow netbooting from a central server so people can boot into a dev environment relevant to the talk, follow the examples along etc |
| eifion | I've run an Ubuntu LiveCD on my G4 PowerBook but I've not tried installing it properly. |
| Ciaran J. | vm'smight be good for that. |
| Chris H. | I always find the live cds a pain. |
| John B. | ciaran: ahh yeah, better idea :) |
| eifion | I'm not a big fan of them either but it was the easiest way to try it out to see if it would work properly. |
| Matt B. | Or EC2? |
| John B. | *googles EC2* |
| David R. | if you cant see the screen: http://monkeyhelper.com/downloads/s5-rails… |
| Matt B. | Amazon hosted pay-by-the-hour on demand vms |
| Matt B. | *VMs |
| KateMonkey | I suppose I could try it tomorrow. If I'm not too busy re-arranging katemonkey.co.uk to be Halloween-themed. |
| Rosemary F. | has entered the room |
| Matt B. | $0.10 per hour, very cool. We're going to be using it for Site Vista 2 |
| Sep 30 | 2:15 PM |
| Ciaran J. | cool, what format, vm's ? |
| John B. | ahh, nice little project |
| Matt B. | |
| Matt B. | You can't run Windows on them, pretty much just FC4 atm i think |
| Ciaran J. | looks cool though , I'll investigate later, ta. |
| WinStOnN | boom! |
| David R. | its getting hot in here |
| Sep 30 | 2:20 PM |
| Chris H. | Yeah, IS the AC on? |
| Ciaran J. | so take off all your clo....actually no wai. |
| David R. | i think someones turned both of them off (one at the back and one at the front) |
| Matt B. | who would be so crazy! |
| David R. | need beer |
| David R. | i think rob is hot too |
| David R. | (as in temperature!) |
| WinStOnN | hbaha |
| Chris H. | THink you got away with that one! |
| David R. | no flash photography ;) |
| David R. | please |
| David R. | to think that this backchat is being logged and will be published for all and sundry to see |
| Chris H. | haha I know! |
| Matt B. | I'm going to put a single quote from the chat when i post it |
| Matt B. | |
| David R. | lol |
| Matt B. | ;-) |
| Stuart J. | heh |
| WinStOnN | haha |
| Chris H. | :D |
| Adam L. | has entered the room |
| Sep 30 | 2:25 PM |
| David R. | it wasn't me it was the computer |
| David R. | i blame the person who turned off the AC :D |
| WinStOnN | was making noise. |
| WinStOnN | the ac. |
| WinStOnN | for that reason the turn it off. |
| WinStOnN | ** they turn it |
| David R. | hmmn would have to look at it and see if the fan can be turned down to a low fan level |
| John B. | The back aircon unit was making a weird noise, hence it's off |
| John B. | oh, that's been said *mental note to fully read before typing@ |
| David R. | its the heat getting to you John :) |
| John B. | hehe, good excuse, I'll buy into it |
| Ciaran J. | DAMMIT I WANT THAT GLX GOODNESS :( |
| Stuart J. | "GLX"? |
| Chris H. | Why isn't Rob showing off the cubes when changing workspace? |
| David R. | i dont think he has it installed |
| Deb | he's probably turned it off |
| Chris H. | aww no fun |
| John B. | is it difficult to get that up and running in Ubuntu? |
| David R. | we'll all be going "wooo" and "wow"... etc. ? |
| John B. | I noticed a post about it, maybe to geekup? but haven't read into it yet... |
| Deb | I think Rob's written a blog post. I'll find it, one sec... |
| Ciaran J. | I posted on it ages ago, but had never seen it in the wild before |
| Sep 30 | 2:30 PM |
| Deb | |
| Deb | has some other dapper tips there too |
| WinStOnN | some of you hear about freefox? |
| Chris H. | nope? |
| Ciaran J. | nop |
| John B. | nope |
| WinStOnN | Debian will change the name |
| WinStOnN | of firefox |
| Deb | no! |
| WinStOnN | to freefox |
| Chris H. | Rubbish |
| Chris H. | name |
| WinStOnN | |
| Stuart J. | cheers Deb |
| John A. | did he mean : http://www.ujs4rails.com/ |
| Chris H. | There's an easier way to get XGL working on Dapper, but I don't have a link handy, you set it up as a different session like Gnome or KDE. |
| Ciaran J. | yeah I tnk so. |
| Ciaran J. | (to john a) |
| Sep 30 | 2:35 PM |
| Chris H. | This might be it for XGL : http://justpretending.net/wp/2006/06/12/ub… |
| David R. | help i'm hot get me out of here! |
| Matt B. | Event tags: |
| Matt B. | View paste
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| Sep 30 | 2:40 PM |
| Chris S. | has left the room (Idle timeout) |
| Sep 30 | 2:50 PM |
| Chris H. | Net is soooo slooow |
| KateMonkey | oh good. I'm not the only one. |
| David R. | yeah t'internet is awful |
| Stuart F. | has entered the room |
| David R. | feel the cool breeze... |
| Chris H. | I think someone is downloading torrents, that was my idea :( |
| Chris H. | mmmm |
| Sep 30 | 2:55 PM |
| David R. | tracert stops at like hop 2 |
| Chris H. | Yeah, I noticed that |
| David R. | Its wierd I can connect to office ok and not home - both are same ISP ! |
| David R. | ebay works ok from here :p |
| Chris H. | I want to try filelist.org and uknova.com ... |
| Duncan G. | has entered the room |
| Duncan G. | hi |
| Chris H. | Hey |
| Sep 30 | 3:00 PM |
| David R. | hi |
| Chris H. | hi |
| Matt B. | hello |
| David R. | internet radio streams ok though |
| David R. | i think the internet is broken or something |
| John B. | *all* of it??? |
| Chris H. | I'm still getting sites, it's justreall slow |
| John B. | it wasn't me, promise. |
| Stuart F. | has left the room |
| WinStOnN | there's one more thing! |
| WinStOnN | deploying and hosting rails |
| Chris H. | Back to the presentations! |
| John B. | t'interweb is fine here btw |
| Ciaran J. | yay |
| David R. | love the graphics |
| Chris H. | should have guessed! |
| John A. | this one should be interesting - i've heard deploying rails is a bitch |
| Stuart J. | yes :( |
| David R. | sounds interesting |
| Ciaran J. | honesty is always good |
| David R. | lol |
| Chris H. | no apache?:( |
| David R. | apache rocks |
| Ciaran J. | apache fine I think, just not with mod_ruby. |
| Sep 30 | 3:05 PM |
| Chris H. | Indeeed |
| Sep 30 | 3:05 PM |
| John A. | although I've seen blogs about deploying rails on IIS and that seems very scary! |
| Chris H. | ahh right |
| David R. | ahh fastcgi... remember using that a few years ago |
| Stuart J. | I think the problem is fcgi tho, less rails |
| David R. | *nods |
| Chris H. | mongral or something like that is used now?! |
| Stuart J. | yes, I believe that's where Dave's heading :) |
| Sep 30 | 3:10 PM |
| David R. | back |
| John B. | humm, i just tried the same on my macine and it booted lighttpd |
| David R. | everyone elses wireless just went to the wall? |
| John B. | it must be dependant on how you install Ruby and rails... |
| eifion | Yes |
| Stuart J. | yes it bounced |
| David R. | strange |
| KateMonkey | mine did. I panicked. Briefly. |
| Deb | yeah |
| David R. | heh |
| WinStOnN | what was thatt? |
| David R. | downloading? ;) |
| Ciaran J. | network back, yay |
| Chris H. | Yeah, same, just got back.. been having wireless problems anyway |
| John A. | yeah It came and went back again |
| WinStOnN | i think too much torrenting |
| Chris H. | It keeps going on euro-something wireless by default :( |
| John A. | mongrel clustering sounds a bit dodgy |
| WinStOnN | what about share hosting? |
| Sep 30 | 3:15 PM |
| David R. | grr |
| Ciaran J. | somebody must be hurting the poor ickle router. |
| Ciaran J. | :( |
| David R. | somehow managed to connect to swisscom-eurospot - premier travellin on portlant street ! |
| KateMonkey | I just missed that. Mongrel can only run one what? |
| Ciaran J. | yeah that keeps popping up for me |
| Ciaran J. | one rails-app on one thread i.e. oneinstance of mongrel |
| David R. | 24hrs = 17 quid. |
| WinStOnN | what about shared hosting? |
| WinStOnN | |
| WinStOnN | ' |
| WinStOnN | ?? |
| John B. | so you need to run one mongrel instance per rails app, each mongrel instance can only answer one request at a time... |
| Ciaran J. | yeah, ruby iirc isn't natively multi-threaded ? |
| David R. | ain't wireless tech great? :) |
| John B. | and then you need to setup a proxy in front to balance your requests across your mongrel processes - it seems like the fastcgi method is more widely used though? |
| John B. | my wireless has been fine throughout... maybe I'm sat closer to the router :) |
| David R. | wireless router is at the front |
| David R. | but there is one in the coffe area too |
| Ciaran J. | or maybe its you using up all the available connection registers on the router? ;) |
| John B. | ahh, maybe the one in the coffee area is ok and the one the front is b0rked? |
| John B. | haha |
| David R. | yay for httpd.conf |
| Sep 30 | 3:20 PM |
| Stuart J. | @Ciaran: yes, that's (sort of) right: it simulates threads within a single process rather than using native OS threads |
| John B. | no wonder it's warm in this room, all this WLAN activity is microwaving us |
| Stuart J. | heh |
| Ciaran J. | I'm happy with sort-of-right, its better than my usual wrong ) |
| David R. | microwaving your plums at the same time? |
| Chris H. | This hosting looks really messy |
| John B. | keeepin' 'em warm... |
| David R. | hope dave will put these slides up online too. |
| Ciaran J. | mmm plum crumble, custard anyone? |
| WinStOnN | John : hahaha |
| John B. | I'm pondering how you deal with session persistence - presumably all has to be done in the shared DB? |
| David R. | heh |
| John B. | Chris H: agreed, looks messy, painfully so... |
| WinStOnN | yeah, hosting rails seems very painfull compare with php |
| WinStOnN | :( |
| Chris H. | I have enough problems as it is and with apache and php. |
| Ciaran J. | as it would be in any load-balanced system? Although I hink with .Net you can split off the balancing o the worker processes from the session processes ? |
| David R. | but once you've sorted out the rails hosting you'll be flying :) |
| WinStOnN | i know! |
| WinStOnN | david. |
| John B. | yeah, but with apache+php (as an example) you don't need to start load balancing until you need more than 1 webserver |
| KateMonkey | There's no way I'm going to be able to sweettalk them into this at work. |
| WinStOnN | I'll work hard in that. |
| John B. | with this setup you're running more than one thread on a single machine |
| WinStOnN | "hosting" |
| David R. | i love apache |
| John B. | so your session persistence is an issue across threads as well as across machines... |
| Chris H. | Use remote ruby on rails hosting, much easier.. |
| David R. | give me a config file above any gui config any day |
| Stuart J. | @John: yes, sharing session state via db is typical - tho you can also use 'memcached' to manage session state across network |
| David R. | ahh deployment, our questins may be answered |
| Ciaran J. | memcached over network sounds cool, any links ? |
| Ciaran J. | indeed |
| Stuart J. | the 'out of the box' session management is filesystem based, but that never scales! |
| David R. | capistrano sounds like a coffee you get at starbucks! |
| Stuart J. | |
| John B. | stuart: yeah - the point of scaling is very different with this though |
| Sep 30 | 3:25 PM |
| Ciaran J. | touché |
| Chris H. | Can I have extra milk in my capistrano please? |
| David R. | chris: if you pay extra ;) |
| Chris H. | Use putty.exe on windows for SSH |
| John B. | with a traditional LAMP stack and a decent server you can scale to a fairly large size - with ruby it appears that you're limited to one thread before session information needs to be in a shared db |
| John A. | don't capistranos sing with a very high voice? |
| David R. | putty here for winblows too |
| John B. | putty - makes windows useful |
| David R. | lol |
| David R. | or use cygwin ? |
| Chris H. | putty and winscp FTW |
| John B. | the putty suite is about the best I've found on windows, pscp, putty etc, best of the bunch... highly recommended |
| David R. | putty, and I do everything in a unix shell these days... scp and rsync are so useful |
| Ciaran J. | @John, that memcache addresses that problem no? |
| David R. | used to use terraterm before I found putty. |
| Stuart J. | @John: yes that's pretty much it, AFAIK. Don't know how efficiently php manages session info |
| John B. | stuart: IME fairly well - very easy to bolt a DB at the back-end too, stadard PEAR modules for it etc |
| John B. | scales well too, performance wise |
| John B. | I'm sure there's a better way round hosting ruby though... |
| Ciaran J. | however php does not (Generally) survive well in terms of maintenance, rails+tests provides a much neater approach imho. |
| John B. | yeah - just commenting on the hosting side, rails sounds great, looking forward to getting into it :) |
| Sep 30 | 3:30 PM |
| Chris H. | The wasy way to deploy rails : http://wiki.rubyonrails.com/rails/pages/Ra… |
| Stuart J. | he's not going to live deploy his site is he? *holds breath* |
| John B. | *crosses fingers* |
| eifion | Either deploy or delete. |
| John B. | haha |
| Stuart J. | heh |
| David R. | :) |
| David R. | thats a lot of releases? |
| John B. | just check out the release times |
| John B. | lots of early mornings and late nights :) |
| David R. | yeah |
| Stuart J. | I think with Capistrano, it becomes easy enough to do micro-releases... |
| Stuart J. | heh |
| Ciaran J. | hmm symlinks, only works on windows then ? |
| David R. | web developer = not a 9-5 job |
| Ciaran J. | err reverse that.. will not work on .... |
| Stuart J. | yes :( |
| John B. | you can do shortcuts on windows though, would that not work? |
| Stuart J. | tho apparently works on Windows under Cygwin |
| John B. | david: true :) |
| Stuart J. | the problem is more that Capistrano issues POSIX standard commands ('cp' etc), and Windows isn't POSIX compliant |
| Ciaran J. | ah so can you setup openssh to provide a cygwin shell ? |
| David R. | cygwin was alright when I tried it, but if i want a unix console, thats what a linux /freebsd/*insert_your_prefs_here server is for |
| Stuart J. | yes, tho have never tried it |
| David R. | hot |
| Stuart J. | cool |
| Stuart J. | :) |
| Sep 30 | 3:35 PM |
| Ciaran J. | rm -rf becomes even more scary |
| John A. | cap as in "pop a cap in you ass!"? |
| David R. | lol |
| Duncan G. | for anyone interested there are a few Ruby.NET implementations :) |
| Chris H. | has anyone actually ever done rm -rf / ? |
| David R. | yes :) |
| Chris H. | or sudo rm -rf / |
| Ciaran J. | ironcrag is that ? |
| Stuart F. | has entered the room |
| Duncan G. | |
| David R. | 6 mins.. |
| John B. | haven't rm -Rf /'d anything... *yet* |
| Duncan G. | |
| David R. | i did it on old machines which were gonna be formatted anyways |
| David R. | managed to mkfs teh wrong partition once |
| Sep 30 | 3:40 PM |
| David R. | cooler out here |
| Sep 30 | 3:45 PM |
| Chris H. | Back in the warmth :):) |
| Sep 30 | 3:50 PM |
| Chris H. | Break time joke: http://elliottback.com/wp/wp-content/uploa… |
| Sep 30 | 3:55 PM |
| David R. | khi |
| Dave V. | all mine are done now, i can relax |
| Chris H. | Phil is also a comedian! |
| David R. | :) |
| Sep 30 | 4:00 PM |
| Chris H. | Unit testing? |
| David R. | zippy! |
| John A. | e |
| John A. | oops - dropped an e |
| Dave V. | burn him |
| John A. | lol |
| Stuart J. | heh |
| David R. | :D |
| Matt B. | lol |
| David R. | i was an MCSE once |
| Chris H. | Stop making me laugh when people are presentating! |
| John A. | my boss is sitting next to me so I can't be too rude ;) |
| David R. | lol |
| David R. | where are you in the room johna? |
| Matt B. | coughping john a |
| Matt B. | :) |
| Chris H. | haha |
| Chris H. | he has a slient cough! |
| John A. | third row back aisle-side on the left - blue t-shirt |
| David R. | hey that reminds me of my electronics course at uni |
| Stuart J. | perhaps his throat's offline |
| Sep 30 | 4:05 PM |
| David R. | ahhi am 3 rows behind you |
| John A. | look stop trying to get me doing stuff with my throat |
| David R. | hah |
| Matt B. | haha |
| David R. | *pokes the wireless* |
| Sep 30 | 4:10 PM |
| KateMonkey | Don't poke it. It might get angry. |
| Chris H. | It keeps connecting me to Eurosports :@ |
| David R. | say no to eurosport |
| Dave V. | it just kicked me off too |
| Dave V. | how has it been today? |
| Dave V. | good? |
| David R. | dodgy this afternoon |
| David R. | gone off about 3-4 times for 2-3min periods |
| Ciaran J. | yeah more up than down though which is nice ;) |
| Matt B. | I work with that font-size normally. |
| Chris H. | Yeah, Quite a few disconnects |
| Stuart J. | heh |
| Matt B. | i've been kicked off twice, not too bad considering how many of us there are |
| David R. | some strange routing issues i've noticed, but think its me rather than the network |
| Chris H. | Is that a 2.0 t-shirt I see? |
| Dave V. | yea it is |
| Sep 30 | 4:15 PM |
| David R. | DaveV: will the Hosting and Deploying slides be put up on nwrug? |
| Dave V. | yes |
| Dave V. | they are not already because thery were only finished about 2 mins before my talk started :) |
| David R. | :) twas very good. I'd give you a score on the feedback sheet, but err handed it in before your talk ;) |
| Chris H. | I've seen something like this for doing screenshots I think. |
| KateMonkey | It was good. It terrified me and now I will never host a website anywhere again. ;) |
| David R. | what pres software is phil using ? |
| Stuart J. | presumably powerpoint? |
| Sep 30 | 4:20 PM |
| WinStOnN | I think so. |
| Matt B. | looks like it from here |
| Andrew D. | has entered the room |
| Andrew D. | Hi All |
| David R. | hello mr d |
| Ciaran J. | lo |
| Stuart J. | Hi Andrew |
| Stuart J. | good job with the organisation :) |
| KateMonkey | I need to figure out what I'm going to write about this for the multipack blog. That doesn't sound like the really random running commentary I've been writing for katemonkey.co.uk. |
| Andrew D. | Good to see so many using the backchannel |
| Matt B. | Yes, thank you very much for this Andrew :) |
| Dave V. | my slides are now uploaded to http://nwrug.org |
| David R. | +1 very good |
| David R. | cool |
| Chris H. | Thanks :) |
| WinStOnN | all the time |
| Dave V. | the wifi took the strain |
| Stuart J. | @Kate: "the multipack blog"? |
| Dave V. | and managed it |
| Matt B. | Ah nice work Dave :) |
| Ciaran J. | indeed thanks to all |
| KateMonkey | |
| KateMonkey | Like GeekUp, but for the Midlands. |
| Stuart J. | cool :) |
| David R. | ahh you've come a long way then today ? |
| KateMonkey | Nottingham. |
| Sep 30 | 4:25 PM |
| Dave V. | I think Kate wins the prize for longest journey for today |
| John A. | Me too - off to Multipack - first time for me though :) |
| Dave V. | i dont know of anyone who has come further |
| Dave V. | i hope it was worth the journey :) |
| Duncan G. | I came from Leicester :) |
| eifion | I've come from North Wales which was about 100 miles. |
| WinStOnN | haha |
| WinStOnN | i win that |
| Matt B. | Hmmm... |
| WinStOnN | im from Chile |
| WinStOnN | mmm |
| WinStOnN | 1000 Miles? |
| WinStOnN | hahah |
| Ciaran J. | I'm driving bck to n.wales ater the session ;) |
| David R. | |
| eifion | See you on the M56 then :-) |
| WinStOnN | haha off course not. :) |
| Ciaran J. | ;) |
| Andrew D. | there is an after party as such - details to be announced. |
| KateMonkey | yeah, it doesn't count if you're already in the country. I'm not saying I came from Los Angeles ;) |
| WinStOnN | ;) |
| WinStOnN | i just joking kate. |
| David R. | yay for the webdeveloper extention |
| KateMonkey | I don't know if I'd do the journey again, though. While the hotel was comfy and relatively cheap, it was on Portland street and there were people shouting and singing in a truly drunken fashion until around 3am. |
| David R. | welcome to manchester |
| Ciaran J. | damn straight :( |
| David R. | coudlnt you get a room thta wasnt street-side? |
| David R. | so in theory you travelled teh shortest distance today? |
| Sep 30 | 4:30 PM |
| WinStOnN | haha |
| Andrew D. | who travelled the most? |
| WinStOnN | yeah, welcome to manchester kate |
| KateMonkey | The room faced the alley. People shouted in the alley. It would have been fine, if the hotel was properly soundproofed. |
| KateMonkey | David: Ha! |
| Chris H. | I travelled from Oxford Road.. I don't think I win :( |
| Ciaran J. | at least it was only shouting in the alley ;) |
| David R. | which hotel was it? |
| David R. | haha |
| Ciaran J. | I'm impressed with this watir stuff, the suggestion of combining it with simply seems genius ;) |
| KateMonkey | so I lose. |
| KateMonkey | Yeah, today, I just walked across the street. |
| David R. | north wales wins then |
| eifion | Woohoo! |
| David R. | your prize is a pile of worthless loyalty points that you can't use on anywhere |
| eifion | Great. I'll put them with all the others I've got. |
| KateMonkey | I was at the Travel Inn? Premiere Inn? Whatever. The purple one that has strong enough wireless to be found over here. |
| David R. | premier inn |
| Chris H. | That's the wireless that it keeps sending me to when this connection goes down :( |
| David R. | you also get it appearing in the b-lounge too |
| KateMonkey | Nice hotel, bad soundproofing on the windows. |
| Sep 30 | 4:35 PM |
| David R. | usually soundproofed quite well between floors. (excellent when you have kids that bounce around all the time) |
| Chris H. | do those IE windows pop up every time you test it? |
| KateMonkey | Oh yeah. I couldn't hear anything from the walls -- I think it was just the windows. I was convinced they were open, and they weren't. |
| David R. | hot |
| John A. | time for beers? |
| Duncan G. | It was really noisy for me last night too, woke up to the sound of a garbage truck! |
| David R. | sounds like a plan |
| David R. | oh a cool breeze.. |
| John A. | a garbage truck? |
| Duncan G. | right outside the window, although not |
| Stuart J. | @Chris: no, you can configure it so it runs without launching IE |
| David R. | lol |
| Ciaran J. | cu guys ;) |
| Chris H. | byee |
| Sep 30 | 4:40 PM |
| John A. | bye bye everyone |
| John A. | mmmmm beers |
| John A. | has left the room |
| David R. | well done all the winners |
| David R. | woo i won sitevista ! |
| David R. | wheres the beers at ? |
| Sep 30 | 5:05 PM |
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| Chris H. | I know you guys aren't there but just wanted to say how awesome today was :) |
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- Adam Lindsay
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- Carl Drinkwater
- Chris Hardy
- Chris Sherry
- Ciaran Jessup
- Dave Verwer
- David Roberts
- Deb
- Duncan G
- eifion
- John A-P
- John Baxendale
- KateMonkey
- Matt Brindley
- monkeyhelper
- Richard Leonard
- Rosemary Fitzgerald
- Stuart Frisby
- Stuart Johnson
- WinStOnN